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be normal this is the saucer life a

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podcast in which we examine Concepts

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events or people orbiting the world of

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few preconceptions snark when Justified

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no belief

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to examine one of the goofiest things to

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come out of ufology in the late 1990s

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the 1997 video Area 51 the alien

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interview which featured footage of an

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alien being interrogated and the voice

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distorted shadowy figure of Victor

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heavily featured in the video was Sean

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David Morton who had many appearances on

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Coast to Coast AM over the years we'll

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talk a little bit about Morton because

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you can't avoid it and I'm not doing an

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so this might be all the Morton I ever

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talk about I urge you if you're

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interested in Sean David Morton to go to

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ufowwatchdog.com which has an extensive

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exploration of the man's career or just

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some of it is quite amusing but for now

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Area 51 the alien interview was directed

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by Jeff Broad Street and written by

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Robert Benson and what I can gather this

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was one of the first Productions Broad

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Street worked on following the writing

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and directing of 1989's film sex bomb

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about which I know

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nothing I know I was gonna say I know

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little I know nothing

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Broad Street has since gone on to

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produce direct and write a number of

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horror and suspense pictures he was born

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in Greencastle Indiana either in 1954 or

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1960 his IMDb page has both years listed

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writer Benson had collaborated with

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Area 51 the alien interview was released

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on VHS by Vega 7 Entertainment in 1997

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running an hour and five minutes or so

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perhaps not shockingly the website www

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Area 51 the alieninterview.com no longer

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seems to work but thanks to the magic of

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the internet archives Wayback machine we

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can find this site which was set up in

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2008 to sell Area 51 the alien interview

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the 2008 Edition and from this website

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we can get some background on exactly

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what this is basically in 1996 a man

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identifying himself as Victor showed up

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claiming to possess irrefutable video

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proof that the government had captured a

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living extraterrestrial biological

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entity and was holding it at Area 51 he

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wanted the producers to make this

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footage public so that's what's going on

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and Victor will be uh Victor will be

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interviewed and it's going to be the

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thing that finally breaks down the

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barriers of disclosure and reveals the

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truth about everything there's also a

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which had been deleted in October 2009

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as not being a notable enough topic so

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let's get into this video it begins with

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a disclaimer silently printed on screen

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the following program deals with

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controversial subjects it says the

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theories opinions and beliefs expressed

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are not the only possible interpretation

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of the evidence viewers are urged to

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make a judgment based on all available

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information basically this is a nice

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little compact statement saying this

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it's not true but if you believe it

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that's on you not us because we're

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telling you to basically look at all

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sides and come to your own conclusions

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based on all all available information

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do not sue us if it turns out this is a

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puppet in the video right

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called from various points of the

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documentary and we begin with Sean David

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Morton it's a remarkable piece of

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ask questions that are out of bounds I

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ooh Sinister and then Robert o Dean

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his name like on on radio shows I

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thought it was Robert Odin like oh

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apostrophe Dean so it wasn't until I saw

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it in print that I realized it was an

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initial that's probably because I'm dumb

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so Robert Odin he's a retired command

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sergeant major in the U.S army who

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claimed to have viewed classified

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government documents about the alien

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cover-up because they just leave these

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things lying around because a lot of

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people have seen various documents over

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the years about this we'll be doing a

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Bob Dean episode at some point in the

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future because he's totally episode

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worthy this is powerful because this is

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not a staged event this is real

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from there we meet our host Stephen

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name to Steve Austin because there was

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already a Steve Williams in wrestling

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when he started but rather the actor who

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portrayed X the second of agent Mulder's

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several morally ambiguous informants on

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the X-Files he tells us that if the

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footage contained in this video is

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genuine then this is the most important

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thing in the history of mankind as with

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all documentaries like this they sort of

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assume the people buying it don't know

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anything about anything UFO related

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which might be true but I think it was

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mostly enthusiasts buying this sort of

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thing in any case we get a fairly

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lengthy rundown of the whole Area 51

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than Williams who was sort of presenting

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it then Williams is back and tells us

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about Bob lazar's 1989 Revelations about

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the facility and about the supposed

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efforts to back engineer alien craft

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and news reports we get similar Tales

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from David Adair a former NASA

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consultant who claimed he was brought in

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to study the engines of a flying saucer

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and now we meet Sean David Morton

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he's shown walking around the edge of a

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lake or a pond at a park where families

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executive out on his lunch hour who's

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ufologist and lecturer Sean David Morton

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has appeared on sightings strange

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universe and hard copy he offers his own

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perspective on lazar's stunning claim

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and the super secret area 51.

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told us was that if we simply went out

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and so Morton did just that he he went

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out to explore Area 51 and he shared

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this knowledge with the public

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will actually share is the wrong word

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the May 2nd 1993 edition of the Orange

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a story with the headline mysterious

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earthlings scour the desert for space

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it is Twilight and Sean David Morton is

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Nevada desert headed for a dimension

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where unearthly flashes appear in the

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sky and the lone local bar serves alien

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he's hurtling toward a sector where he

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says extraterrestrials prowl the Earth

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surgically mutilating cows conspiring

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he is entering the terrifying area 51.

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NASA is a fake the real stuff is out

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van are seven wide-eyed passengers a few

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of them alarmed by the warp speed at

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which Morton is driving each has paid 99

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to see the flying saucers that Morton

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the fee also entitles them to an earful

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of the self-proclaimed prophets Arcane

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tidbits about space travel and

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government cover-ups which he spews

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casually in a tone you'd use to explain

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he explains that area 51's aliens are

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probably from krondak a planet 800 light

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any aliens in the flesh but his sources

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tell him they're living at area 51.

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little men with the smooth heads and the

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hidden here is the technology to end all

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wars to end Hunger to provide an endless

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supply of energy he said I'm outraged

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that they're not showing it to the rest

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unprecedented Financial opportunity we

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Morton 34 makes his living as a psychic

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a screenwriter he just finished a book

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of Prophecy for the next 30 years he

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fundamentalist Christian family of the

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most rapid variety but became a new age

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suddenly Morton swings the van off the

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road kills the headlights and leaps into

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the road screaming look look look over

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there they're there what the hell is

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that oh it's gone

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the fellow Travelers run down the berm

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flares some like f-16s two huge claims

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probably b1s swoop close overhead in the

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dark barely making a sound and something

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else seems to Hopscotch across the sky

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leaving an orange flash at each stop

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you just saw tiny space jumps Morton

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so basically for 99 you get a long van

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ride in the dark with a guy who's gotten

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pretty good at pretending to see things

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in the sky so that's Morton's

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qualifications for being in this video

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he's in Area 51 guy from way back

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now our host Stephen Williams tells us

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that some researchers think that secret

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parts of the government are in contact

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with alien beings than throws to Sean

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for more detail

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project Sigma was supposedly a deal

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between the United States government and

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various extraterrestrials that after the

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Roswell crash of 1947 that an

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organization called Majestic 12 was

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formed and then in 1953 President

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Eisenhower was then brought in on this

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well there was a negotiation going back

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and forth between the United States

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military the government and the

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extraterrestrials apparently we had a

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number of things that the

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extraterrestrials wanted number one the

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military needed Hardware we wanted

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technology we wanted weapons technology

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propulsion technology Metallurgy

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technology and in exchange for this the

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ETS were willing to trade us their

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hardware for our software and software

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namely being us what they primarily

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wanted was genetic material in exchange

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for that they were willing to give us

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certain certain technological advances

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like a number of flying saucers

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I mean this is a story that we've heard

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a lot it was it was the narrative from

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the late 80s on we're going to see more

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of of that sort of we made a deal with

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the aliens and and blah blah blah in

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this documentary but now we get to the

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meat of the story The supposed Interview

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With the Alien and where it came from it

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was sourced from Area 51 Stephen

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Williams tells us and it was smuggled

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out and then the narrator takes over as

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action shifts to the offices of Rocket

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pictures on Friday July 26 1996 the

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offices of Rocket pictures a producer

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distributor of Motion Pictures and

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television programs received a phone

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call a male voice identifying himself

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only as Victor claimed to be in

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possession of a videotaped interview

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with an extraterrestrial being

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the show Victor silently he's sitting in

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the shadows but you can tell he has

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longish hair and a full beard that looks

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a little unkempt I mean if you can tell

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a beard is messy from a shadow it's

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probably unkempt you know in fact it's

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so noticeable that I believe this is

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part of the disguise the president of

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Rocket pictures Tom Coleman was the

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narrator says intrigued enough to take

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Victor's call

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he said he had a tape of a space alien

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an E.T

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that was being held in a

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a military installation in Nevada

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I'm not sure as a prisoner or a guest

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um

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and uh he had this on tape

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then we get more alien history lesson as

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the narrator fills us in on other

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contacts the most famous of which was he

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says Roswell which was where we got the

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alien autopsy footage he says we also

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learn about ebe1 who was captured in

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1949 he suffered from chronic health

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problems which were untreatable the

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source for this info was a top secret

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briefing document which explained that

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ebe1 was interviewed via a series of

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pictographs which led to the development

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of a new language with which we could

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communicate with them

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despite this experts agree that aliens

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mainly communicate via thought

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transmission and all this comes from

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this briefing document is the Aquarius

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briefing document which that goes all

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the way back to benowitz and Bill Moore

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and and Dodie back in the early 1980s

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and this has contributed so much to the

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Mythos of all of this over the years as

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we've seen repeatedly in the five years

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we've been doing this show

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so they do have reproductions of these

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scenes where ebe1 is being interviewed

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and everything and they're in black and

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white and it's really pretty well done

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and entertaining and now we get

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celebrity host Stephen Williams back

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explaining the history of UFO secrecy

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mj-12 and so on and there's just so much

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UFO backstory here we're a quarter of

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the way through this thing and we've

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gotten very little information about

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this supposed tape and a whole lot of

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John Lear flavored conspiracy theories

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now we even get references to Falcon who

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revealed that ebe2 was held at Area 51

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which became according to the narrator a

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sort of alien Embassy

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so

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it's just there's a lot of filler here

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that honestly I believe anybody who

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would have been buying this tape in 1997

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would have already been up on

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um it was they were probably getting

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bored at this point but you've got to

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fill this thing out to be at least an

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hour to make it worth people's money so

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you do a lot of sort of padding things

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like this

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so how does Victor fit into all of this

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we'll find out after this brief break

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sounds like it'll be a Cheesy movie uh

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484-80 so we had some feedback about our

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Laura Mundo episode last time and as

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usual uh you you all are the the most

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insightful bunch of listeners in podcast

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land I'm convinced uh Stuart Lloyd on

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patreon

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um said you already mentioned that you

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think a lot of this story is based on

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Laura working through her issues and I

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agree at the risk of sounding Freudian

448
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and or jungian we have a divorced single

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mother of two boys writing about a

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greater power and calling it The Father

451
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maybe to make up for the missing father

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and the boys lives Laura calling adamski

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Lucifer and saying the orthon prefers to

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live as a woman could be interpreted as

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rage towards the men who have wronged

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her in her life and her embracing the

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sacred feminine I expect women in the

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1960s probably had to not show too much

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anger lest they get branded psycho or

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crazy and possibly even shipped off

461
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however writing what most people

462
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interpreted as fiction was probably the

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only Outlet she had

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El Bardo made a connection that I didn't

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think of but it does seem kind of

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intriguing this might be kind of Niche

467
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but I'm going for it anyhow I find a lot

468
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of commonalities between the gang

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stalked types and the abductees but

470
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Laura's contact D story has so many more

471
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overlaps with the modern narratives by

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targeted individuals than most of her

473
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contemporaries her interaction with the

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UFO sending her information is very not

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unlike the electronic harassment

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reported by targeted individuals

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her preoccupation with hateful gossip

478
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going on behind her back is also part of

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their whole thing orthon even functions

480
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as the stalker par Excellence disguises

481
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unspoken connections and somewhat

482
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important to you adamsky also knowing

483
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about the stalking Laura obviously has a

484
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different more positive relationship

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with her I'm going to say it delusions

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than the average targeted individual but

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regardless they feel worth pointing out

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yeah I I never thought about the the

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overlap with with targeted individuals

490
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but she does seem to have this sort of

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hyper vigilance about uh the

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relationships going on around her and

493
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how those might or might not be breaking

494
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down a commenter flying lemon on the

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website said while her statement about

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orthon's semi-encouraging homosexual

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conversion therapy certainly hasn't aged

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well and her increasingly paranoia about

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people acting against her is troubling

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I'm absolutely fascinated by her

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interpretation of orthon as a gender

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fluid individual yes I I agree that was

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that was something I was not expecting

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and I found a very refreshing kind of uh

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kind of take on on all of that I I was

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very very uh very very interesting

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another commenter on the website Matthew

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said Miss Mundo was a fascinating if not

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misguided individual her goal of being

510
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viewed as intelligent and scholarly is

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evident right from the start in her

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introduction of Ms falzone she spoke of

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Ms falzone as I imagine anthropologists

514
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of yore spoke of lost tribes tinged with

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judgment in an inflated sense of

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Enlightenment himself as I think you

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alluded to as well I suspect Mundo hoped

518
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the lack of editing would convey how

519
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even falzone of low culture so simple of

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Mind an altogether unworldly still

521
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understood the plan yeah I thought she

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uh she she did falzone poorly there

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um yeah definitely sort of a superiority

524
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thing going on

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um red pill junkie also commenting on

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the website said perhaps Mundo's weird

527
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feelings regarding the link between

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reincarnation and fingerprints is

529
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somewhat related to Frank Strange's

530
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allusion to Valiant Thor and how he

531
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described his hands to be perfectly

532
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smooth thus connecting fingerprints as

533
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being a record of one's sins or

534
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something like that as for orthon

535
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showing a ducktailed pompadour and

536
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dressing in the Zoot Suit fashion this

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is a mental image I will never be able

538
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to get rid of from now on you and I both

539
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we had some emails as well with uh one

540
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emailer saying that he would like more

541
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extensive biographies of the uh of the

542
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contactes before their contacts

543
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experiences began I would love to be

544
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able to do that as well there's a

545
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there's not a lot of of sources for a

546
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lot of these these contactees but I try

547
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to find as much stuff as I I can that's

548
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that's relevant and also he wondered if

549
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there had ever been any psych profiling

550
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done of some of these contactees to sort

551
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:15,179
of flesh out their their motivations and

552
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:18,120
and and possible you know issues that

553
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:21,480
might have led to them you know engaging

554
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:24,600
in this behavior I'm not I'm not sure of

555
00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:27,539
any um not that I've not that I've come

556
00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:30,120
across but if you find any please let us

557
00:23:35,950 --> 00:23:33,179
know uh also in email

558
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:35,960
um our frequent commenter uh Lester

559
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,520
wants to know if

560
00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:40,559
um what brand of cigarettes orthon

561
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:42,419
preferred Lucky Strike I don't know I

562
00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:44,700
just made that up and uh he says I hope

563
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,159
Mundo voted for Gabe green and also

564
00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:49,740
Lester says I was on Laura Mundo's

565
00:23:54,409 --> 00:23:52,260
mailing list briefly before she died she

566
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:54,419
was still defending a damski he groped

567
00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:56,220
her on stage to identify the space

568
00:24:02,510 --> 00:23:58,860
aliens in the office not because he was

569
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:02,520
a sexist perv yeah adamski had some

570
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:05,400
issues with women at times sort of

571
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:09,120
hinted at uh slightly in in various uh

572
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:11,220
various documents the patreon bonus

573
00:24:16,909 --> 00:24:14,220
episode this uh this month is going to

574
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:16,919
be basically Mundo Mania there's some

575
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:18,900
more Laura Mundo stuff out there

576
00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:21,419
including some comments about adamski

577
00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:25,500
and his uh his rampant misogyny

578
00:24:30,669 --> 00:24:27,900
and finally

579
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:30,679
um an email from uh from Gabriel McKee

580
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,799
who is working on a book about gray

581
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:37,440
Barker which is very exciting and he has

582
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:40,500
some uh some tidbits about this from his

583
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:44,700
research that uh that I wasn't aware of

584
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:46,740
um one is that

585
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,360
the the agency that Mundo claims

586
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:53,520
contacted her the government agency and

587
00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:56,520
I I found this in a book after I

588
00:25:02,029 --> 00:24:58,140
finished the episode she claimed it was

589
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,039
the U.S information agency and

590
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:05,520
Gabriel points out that

591
00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:08,100
basically you remember the whole straith

592
00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:10,740
letter thing the the fake letter on

593
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:14,100
government government stationary that

594
00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:16,140
gray Barker stole that he sent letters

595
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:17,640
sort of

596
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,580
hoax letters to various ufologists that

597
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:22,559
stationary was from the U.S information

598
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:24,900
agency so

599
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,299
um and there is a copy of that letter in

600
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:30,240
Barker's files Gabriel says so that's

601
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,039
yeah yeah so that's where that comes

602
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:34,320
from and he's also a pretty sure thing

603
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,020
that the guy who claimed to be a man in

604
00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:38,880
Black at the Detroit saucer convention

605
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:41,880
was Gabriel believes that is probably

606
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,320
Jim Mosley so yeah there's uh there's

607
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:48,480
that as well and as funny as all that is

608
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:51,539
a lot of times boy Barker and Mosley

609
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:54,480
just sometimes I can't sort of shake the

610
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,279
fact these guys really were a couple of

611
00:26:02,330 --> 00:25:59,520
jerks a lot of times but

612
00:26:05,169 --> 00:26:02,340
um that's what that's what we have from

613
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:05,179
the uh from the mailbag for that episode

614
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:09,059
and let's get back to the documentary

615
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:17,409
[Music]

616
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:21,600
what's his deal is he a hoaxster a

617
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:23,940
government dupe or a frightened

618
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:26,100
whistleblower with the hard evidence to

619
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,440
back up his story

620
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:31,520
Tom Coleman Head of Rocket pictures

621
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:35,159
reported that Victor encouraged rocket

622
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:38,220
to test and verify him and his evidence

623
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:41,340
however they liked his only concern was

624
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:43,620
that his identity was Kept Secret now

625
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:46,620
the narrator does confirm that not only

626
00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:49,080
is he in Shadow but in Disguise as well

627
00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:52,440
so yeah it's hard to tell anything from

628
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:55,080
the face and hair because that's that's

629
00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:57,960
all that's all fake we then get the

630
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,059
information that Victor was very

631
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:02,640
reluctant to appear on film and in my

632
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:04,200
opinion one of the best things about

633
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:07,620
this whole video is the fact that Victor

634
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:11,279
is often really irritated by things and

635
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,580
a bit petulant in fact we get a taste of

636
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:17,520
that in the first interview clip with

637
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,740
him that they present what is your

638
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,559
occupation at Area 51 I won't answer

639
00:27:27,890 --> 00:27:25,440
that I've had reason to be present at

640
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,900
Area 51 but I'm not going to clarify

641
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:29,279
whether or not I was there as an

642
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:31,500
employee are you saying you were there

643
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,700
as a visitor

644
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:35,340
I'm not going to specify why or in what

645
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,860
capacity I was there only that I was

646
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,640
there

647
00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:40,500
can you tell us how many times you were

648
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:45,350
when I agreed to this my fundamental

649
00:27:49,549 --> 00:27:47,100
ground rule was that I would not be

650
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,559
asked to divulge personal data that

651
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:51,960
might help pinpoint my identity if you

652
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:53,580
continue to ask questions that are out

653
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:55,559
of bounds I won't hesitate to terminate

654
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,240
this interview are you saying that the

655
00:28:01,970 --> 00:27:58,799
number of times you were present at Area

656
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,980
51 is enough to pinpoint your identity

657
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,380
any specifics will narrow the field of

658
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:06,480
suspects of course I could lie let's say

659
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,299
I've been there 47 times it's a nice

660
00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:12,000
touch and it does a lot to reinforce the

661
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,039
idea that Victor is somebody with

662
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:16,559
something to lose we also learned more

663
00:28:20,750 --> 00:28:19,380
about the actual tape let's turn to the

664
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,760
tape itself

665
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:22,559
the copy you've supplied is not the

666
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:24,539
original tape no

667
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:26,580
was the original at Area 51 when you

668
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:29,220
copied it that's out of balance is it

669
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,080
fair to assume that the copying of tapes

670
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:34,080
at Area 51 is heavily restricted you can

671
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:35,820
assume anything you like I would say

672
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,010
I will say that this tape was copied

673
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,880
under special circumstances otherwise

674
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:46,640
copying it would have been impossible

675
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:50,400
can you be more specific Victor more

676
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:52,440
specific

677
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,659
okay I'm sure they figured this much out

678
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:55,679
already

679
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:57,779
recently there was a wholesale transfer

680
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,419
of video documentation from analog tape

681
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,220
to digital disk storage in a couple of

682
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:04,799
instances this allowed data to leak from

683
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:06,840
a highest security system to a less high

684
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,400
security system

685
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:10,500
even so this particular tape was the

686
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,820
only

687
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,559
I think that's about all I'll say about

688
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:14,880
that

689
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:16,860
so then the interviewer which as you can

690
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:19,140
tell is a different voice again from

691
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:21,659
Stephen Williams or the narrator they

692
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,919
really could have cut the budget down a

693
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:24,899
little bit by combining some of those

694
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:27,720
roles I think the narrator keeps

695
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:30,059
persisting in trying to find out as much

696
00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:32,760
about the videotape digitalization

697
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:36,299
security process as he can was there

698
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:37,860
something about this particular clip

699
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:39,480
that made it more accessible to be

700
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:42,360
copied not necessarily no was there

701
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,460
something about the content that caused

702
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:46,559
them to file it differently or give it

703
00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:48,840
special handling

704
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:51,380
this interview was terminated

705
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:55,020
okay just a little personal secret of

706
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:58,799
mine it is Michael at some point if I'm

707
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:02,000
ever interviewed on podcasts again

708
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:06,179
to utter those very words this interview

709
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,940
is terminated and I want to make sure it

710
00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:11,039
is after one of the most innocuous

711
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:14,580
questions ever so Aaron how did you get

712
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:17,100
into the whole UFO feel this interview

713
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:21,659
was terminated I just I mean I have very

714
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:25,320
modest Ambitions we learned that the

715
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,899
interview resumed after a review of the

716
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,240
ground rules and again I need to

717
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:32,399
register my approval of this whole angle

718
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,059
Victor is spiky he's uncomfortable he

719
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:39,120
knows that he has what these video

720
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:41,460
production people want and he gives the

721
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:43,140
impression that he's playing with them a

722
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:43,860
bit

723
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,440
when Victor returns he confirms that he

724
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:48,179
had met the alien on one or more

725
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,820
occasions he refuses to give an exact

726
00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:53,279
number but he denies that he was present

727
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,620
for the interview we're about to see

728
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:57,960
now we get down to some of the details

729
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,120
of the interview itself what can you

730
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,679
tell us about the alien interview we're

731
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:03,360
about to see

732
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:05,700
this one is rather recent very late in

733
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,899
the series

734
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,880
the interview process has been ongoing

735
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:10,440
since the being arrived which was in

736
00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:13,500
1989. approximately twice a month they

737
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,059
sit it down for a session that generally

738
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:17,820
lasts from three to five hours

739
00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:20,220
if they try to go longer than that or if

740
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:21,419
they schedule the sessions more

741
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:22,620
frequently the being becomes

742
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,120
unresponsive

743
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:25,679
there's a fair amount of infighting

744
00:31:29,169 --> 00:31:27,059
among the scientists from different

745
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:29,179
disciplines to get their questions asked

746
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:33,480
okay so the alien gets tired and there's

747
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:35,700
a limited amount of time to get

748
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:38,940
questioned that answered so what have we

749
00:31:45,409 --> 00:31:43,200
learned so far if anything various minor

750
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:45,419
technical details of the saucers the

751
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:46,980
physicists and Engineers are frankly

752
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:49,080
frustrated they feel the beating is

753
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,820
withholding information

754
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,799
possibly concepts are getting lost

755
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:54,480
because all the information has to come

756
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:57,000
through a telepath but also it may be

757
00:32:00,049 --> 00:31:58,320
that the bulk of their scientific

758
00:32:02,029 --> 00:32:00,059
acknowledges just too advanced to be

759
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:02,039
translated into our primitive conceptual

760
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:03,659
framework

761
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,120
it's analogous to if a human scientist

762
00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:08,159
were to try to translate quantum

763
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,779
mechanics into the grunts and screeches

764
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:11,760
of a chimpanzee it's not a very

765
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:14,340
flattering comparison

766
00:32:18,289 --> 00:32:16,260
frankly there's a high attrition rate

767
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,299
for scientists in the program you think

768
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:20,580
they'd be energized by the challenge

769
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:23,700
but a lot of them take the ego deflation

770
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,860
very hard when they find out not only

771
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:28,080
how much they don't know but how much

772
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:29,159
they aren't even capable of

773
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:30,419
understanding

774
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:34,140
so I'm sure people who are more up on

775
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,320
the ale Area 51 stuff than I am could

776
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,120
explain this to me but I'm uncertain

777
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:42,000
exactly what's going on here so we've

778
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:44,279
had the craft and Technologies since the

779
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,620
1940s we've worked deals to get

780
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:49,020
technical assistance from them but in

781
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,140
the mid to late 1990s we're hearing now

782
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:54,840
scientists at Area 51 are frustrated to

783
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:56,820
the point of quitting because we can't

784
00:33:02,269 --> 00:32:59,580
understand the technology that doesn't

785
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,279
seem to to balance out and then you have

786
00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:04,320
books like the day after Roswell which

787
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:06,419
claimed that pretty much every piece of

788
00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:08,340
technology that's been developed in the

789
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:10,919
last 70 years had its roots in alien

790
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:12,899
technology and back engineering and

791
00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:14,820
things like that so where does that fit

792
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,640
in there are some plot continuity issues

793
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:20,159
here but maybe the technical side of

794
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,380
things isn't the most important factor

795
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,440
in play as Victor explains the alien he

796
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,600
says has an easier time communicating

797
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:29,519
spiritual Concepts

798
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,880
we then move to a recreation of one of

799
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:34,559
the interview sessions this time in

800
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,260
color rather than Black and White and

801
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:40,559
The Voice we hear here is presumably the

802
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:43,019
psychic who is relaying the aliens

803
00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:45,000
thought messages

804
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,419
the the human body

805
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:50,820
is a vehicle um

806
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:52,290
a vessel

807
00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:54,600
[Music]

808
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:57,179
and the vessel must be maintained

809
00:34:02,010 --> 00:33:59,700
to serve this

810
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:02,020
spirit

811
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,260
[Music]

812
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:06,480
with maximum efficiency

813
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,060
but a broken

814
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:12,480
vessel can be replaced

815
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:18,710
can have many vessels

816
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,639
is the process natural or technological

817
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:24,960
[Music]

818
00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:27,060
both are

819
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:31,859
technology is a

820
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:38,990
of humanity

821
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,540
technology is is a process

822
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:45,359
The Vessel uses to perfect itself

823
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:48,419
that is all much clearer thank you

824
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:51,540
Victor explains that the aliens see the

825
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:53,940
physical body as a disposable container

826
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:57,180
for the soul and the narrator connects

827
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,740
this concept to the beliefs of the

828
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:01,200
Heaven's Gate cult we get a rundown of

829
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,180
the mass suicide and confirm that Victor

830
00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:05,760
and they note that Victor was

831
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:07,800
interviewed before the heavensgate

832
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,520
suicide Victor is very attached to his

833
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,920
physical form and let me just State here

834
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,960
publicly to head off any clever ideas

835
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:18,119
anyone might be having

836
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:21,420
I have never been am not now and never

837
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,940
will be suicidal

838
00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:25,500
but how would the public know if

839
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:27,180
something happened to you since we don't

840
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:33,829
I'm taking care of that trust me

841
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:35,880
if something happens to me if I die

842
00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:38,760
people will know who I am to be honest

843
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:40,740
the heavensgate references they put in

844
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:43,800
there just seem like padding none of

845
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:47,520
this has anything to do with Heaven's

846
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,820
Gate or those ideas it's there's barely

847
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:52,800
any connection at all besides the idea

848
00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:54,839
that that we're containers for Souls

849
00:36:03,230 --> 00:35:58,859
which isn't a Heaven's Gate exclusive

850
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:03,240
idea I think just the timing of it made

851
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:07,440
it a a thing that you would talk about

852
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:10,380
just to make it clear that you are you

853
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:13,619
know aware of what's of what's going on

854
00:36:17,569 --> 00:36:15,900
we got more discussion of whether or not

855
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:17,579
we can ever really communicate with

856
00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:19,859
aliens beyond the basic level at which

857
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:22,200
humans communicate with animals for

858
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:23,220
example

859
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:25,920
and Victor does not believe we can fully

860
00:36:31,810 --> 00:36:28,500
trust the aliens given this differential

861
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,820
in intellect and abilities the narrator

862
00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:34,320
explains that since Victor won't reveal

863
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:36,839
his identity his credibility relies

864
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:39,540
entirely on the authenticity of the tape

865
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:42,839
and now it's time to see the entirety of

866
00:36:48,829 --> 00:36:45,960
the tape shown in real time there's some

867
00:36:49,630 --> 00:36:48,839
background music added listen to it it's

868
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:49,640
Spacey

869
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,490
yeah it's that and that is the only

870
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:07,200
sound on this video we don't know what

871
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:09,720
questions are being asked we don't know

872
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:12,720
what the alien is saying through the

873
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:16,380
psychic all we do is hear that music and

874
00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:19,560
we see a stereotypical gray alien seated

875
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:22,140
at one end of the table it looks about

876
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:23,820
like the models used for the

877
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:25,260
reconstructed scenes of the interview

878
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,440
maybe a little less detailed the eyes

879
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:31,200
are deep black and glossy you can see

880
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,180
light reflected off of them almost like

881
00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:35,940
it's a plastic surface and one thing

882
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:38,460
that's interesting that I I noted in

883
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:40,500
some of the the online commentary about

884
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:43,320
it from the time there wasn't a lot a

885
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,720
lot less than I than I expected was

886
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:48,000
there were several people saying no

887
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,800
lights reflecting off those eyes it's

888
00:37:54,349 --> 00:37:52,079
like they're absorbing the light that

889
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:54,359
makes me think it might be real no you

890
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:56,700
can see the light reflecting off the

891
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:57,780
eyes

892
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:01,140
um I I don't know I don't know so anyway

893
00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:04,260
the room is dark in general with two

894
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,839
squarish bluish light sources in the

895
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:08,400
background that might be Reflections

896
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:09,900
because it looks like we're looking

897
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:12,180
through a plate of glass like maybe a

898
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,200
two-way mirror into the room there's a

899
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:18,000
tiny bit of light Illuminating the

900
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:19,800
surface of the table the alien is

901
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:21,960
sitting at and the head and shoulders of

902
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:24,599
the alien but nothing below that like I

903
00:38:29,930 --> 00:38:27,480
said there's no sound apart from the

904
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,940
music the alien moves his head from side

905
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:32,640
to side up and down there's a green

906
00:38:38,290 --> 00:38:36,180
light like a vertical line pulsing up

907
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:38,300
and down sort of near the aliens

908
00:38:43,450 --> 00:38:40,980
shoulder or chest area

909
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:43,460
at the bottom of the screen is is Text

910
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:48,240
dni slash 27 which we'll get to in a bit

911
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:50,579
and there's a Time code indicating we're

912
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:52,980
on the fourth hour of this particular

913
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:56,160
recording it goes on for a while uh with

914
00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:58,020
just you don't hear anything except the

915
00:39:02,329 --> 00:39:00,119
music and the aliens sort of bobbing and

916
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,339
weaving his head around and then another

917
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:04,079
figure enters the room from the right

918
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:06,599
side of the screen and two figures in

919
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,940
medical Garb appear behind the alien

920
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:10,980
they're shining a light in his eyes

921
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:14,040
wiping his face the alien appears to be

922
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,260
in some kind of distress and at this

923
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:18,060
point since we don't really know what

924
00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:21,240
anyone is saying it's hard to tell

925
00:39:27,530 --> 00:39:24,119
now back in the studio Victor explains

926
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,540
why the sound was removed from the video

927
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,760
that's correct I can't allow the voices

928
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:31,440
of the project Personnel to be heard by

929
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,540
the general public there's a very good

930
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,520
chance their family or friends on the

931
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:37,920
outside like recognize them we also

932
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,700
learn why Victor is doing all of this my

933
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,740
purpose is to expose the existence of

934
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,480
the aliens not compromise these

935
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,000
individuals I made the decision to come

936
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:50,160
forward I'm taking precautions to

937
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:51,780
protect my own identity and I don't

938
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,940
think it's fair for me to put these

939
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,920
others in danger of exposure

940
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:58,320
Victor also tells us a little bit about

941
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,119
what we're seeing on the video since

942
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:01,920
honestly it's not entirely clear

943
00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:03,720
although it seems like they could have

944
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,300
had his commentary on it the first time

945
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:08,640
they showed the video but it's like they

946
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:10,200
needed to pad things out a little bit

947
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,140
this is the most interesting part I

948
00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:15,599
think the alien is seated behind a glass

949
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,420
partition in a biocontainment area which

950
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:19,920
is maintained

951
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:22,680
file safety level 2 the lowest

952
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:24,420
designation

953
00:40:30,589 --> 00:40:27,780
that's primarily for the protection of

954
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:30,599
the aliens not us the theory is that if

955
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:32,220
they were going to infect us with an

956
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:33,660
alien bug it would have happened 50

957
00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:35,700
years ago

958
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,380
um in fact

959
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:40,079
all the indications are the aliens

960
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:42,839
eliminated microbial and viral life from

961
00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:45,180
their own ecosystem long ago

962
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,880
they aren't susceptible to our diseases

963
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:50,400
directly but it has been shown that

964
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:52,859
microbes can reproduce and form colonies

965
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:55,560
within their respiratory systems which

966
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:57,540
tends to exacerbate the abilities they

967
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,020
seem to suffer anyway in our environment

968
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:03,119
so that's why the alien is going into

969
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:05,099
distress and needs the emergency

970
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:06,359
attention

971
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:09,180
also completely eliminating bacteria and

972
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:11,160
microbes from an ecosystem sounds like

973
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:13,619
about the dumbest thing you can do it's

974
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:17,579
not just disease okay I'm not going to

975
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:20,339
get into that he also and I enjoyed this

976
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:22,200
complains about the quality of the

977
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:25,380
medical personnel at area 51. the

978
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:27,000
medical staff should be there by now

979
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:30,190
they're they're slow in responding

980
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:31,320
[Music]

981
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,900
there they are I have to say the medical

982
00:41:37,609 --> 00:41:35,880
personnel with S4 are less than first

983
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:37,619
grade they tend to be selected for their

984
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:40,020
willingness to keep secrets rather than

985
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:42,540
their medical competence Victor then

986
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,460
gets a bit emotional and says that it's

987
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,040
it's very hard to watch this and I yes I

988
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,200
agree watching people manhandle a puppet

989
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:52,560
is very troubling there's that snark

990
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:55,320
when Justified for you next we move to

991
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,320
the is it real portion of the show Tom

992
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:00,720
Coleman of the uh the video company

993
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,480
doesn't know if it's real or not but he

994
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,579
thinks that it's not a goofy trick like

995
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,280
the alien autopsy film they go into the

996
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,500
technical details of the tape talking to

997
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,440
Jim delatoso who I'd first heard of as

998
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:15,540
someone who evaluated pictures of Mars

999
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,940
for Richard Hoagland so that's not a

1000
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:20,400
mark in his favor in my opinion we get

1001
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:23,220
lots of talk about digitalizing tapes

1002
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,140
and comparing the digital images to the

1003
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:27,119
analog images the results are

1004
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:29,099
inconclusive which of course is

1005
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:31,320
interpreted as that doesn't mean it's

1006
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:32,160
fake

1007
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:34,380
but none of this matters because de la

1008
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:37,859
toso has an emotional response to our

1009
00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:40,320
little alien friend he took the tape

1010
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:43,020
very seriously and offered this personal

1011
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:46,980
opinion if someone faked this I don't

1012
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:49,020
like these people I think it's a bad

1013
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,400
thing for people to do because

1014
00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:54,480
extraterrestrials come here it's an

1015
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,099
incredibly important thing to understand

1016
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:58,319
who they are and why are they coming

1017
00:43:02,569 --> 00:42:59,460
here

1018
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:02,579
if this is not faked

1019
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:05,819
I think we've got a glimpse here the

1020
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:09,060
sense of of communication with someone

1021
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:12,359
who came from a long distance away David

1022
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:15,540
Adair the back engineering saucer engine

1023
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,720
expert whistleblower doesn't know much

1024
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:20,640
doesn't know if this is real or fake but

1025
00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:22,260
he knows that he's seen an alien

1026
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:24,540
spacecraft engine so the tape might be

1027
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:28,020
true because clearly we have spacecraft

1028
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:30,540
we then talk to a prop expert who thinks

1029
00:43:34,670 --> 00:43:32,460
it's a fake but a really high quality

1030
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:34,680
one way better than the alien autopsy

1031
00:43:40,849 --> 00:43:37,140
film there are a number of Digs at the

1032
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:40,859
alien autopsy film uh in this in this uh

1033
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,740
this video and he thinks that uh the way

1034
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:46,079
that most of the alien prop was hidden

1035
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:48,300
in Shadow was a good move because it

1036
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:49,980
makes it less obvious that it's a prop

1037
00:43:55,069 --> 00:43:52,800
but the fact that they lit it like that

1038
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:55,079
is a clue that it's a prop because they

1039
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:56,400
wouldn't have lit it in such a

1040
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:59,579
mysterious shadowy way if it was just an

1041
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:01,140
internal archival thing where they

1042
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,440
wanted this this interview we also hear

1043
00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:07,200
from the makeup expert who worked on the

1044
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:09,660
Eddie Murphy Nutty Professor movie and

1045
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:11,880
the movie Men in Black who says that

1046
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,579
it's clearly a puppet and he comments on

1047
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,460
the shadowy lighting as being a tell as

1048
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,240
well

1049
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,579
but people who know actual stuff aren't

1050
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:23,760
interesting so we need to go to Bob Dean

1051
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,540
for his in their words expert opinion

1052
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:30,480
we see him in profile hand on chin

1053
00:44:37,450 --> 00:44:34,460
looking intently at the screen

1054
00:44:44,130 --> 00:44:37,460
treating him like a piece of livestock

1055
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:46,130
[Music]

1056
00:44:51,530 --> 00:44:48,900
I think you've got yourself

1057
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:51,540
a piece of legitimate footage here and I

1058
00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:53,099
think you've got your hands on some

1059
00:44:59,329 --> 00:44:55,800
pretty sensitive material

1060
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:59,339
I don't know how the hell you got this

1061
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:01,079
I don't know who you got it from and

1062
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:02,760
frankly I don't want to know who you got

1063
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,349
but you got yourself a tiger by the tail

1064
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:15,109
I would say and I know that that's one

1065
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:16,920
of the things you ask of me is that

1066
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:19,619
you've got yourself some legitimate

1067
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:21,900
footage of one of the little guys being

1068
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:24,119
interrogated filmed

1069
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:26,040
and there's a reality to it and there's

1070
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:27,720
a sensitivity to it that literally

1071
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:30,839
breaks my heart but I tell you very much

1072
00:45:34,329 --> 00:45:32,819
very strongly you've got something here

1073
00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:34,339
that's

1074
00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:37,020
he's very sensitive

1075
00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:38,460
well I know at the level of

1076
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:40,680
classification on this kind of a thing

1077
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,839
is so far damned Above Top Secret that

1078
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:44,099
you won't even

1079
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,720
you can't imagine

1080
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:48,240
how sensitive this kind of thing is

1081
00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:50,940
and how delicate it is and how tightly

1082
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:52,740
the government sits on anything like

1083
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:55,380
this and of course we hear from Sean

1084
00:46:00,109 --> 00:45:57,900
David Morton Sean Morton looked for

1085
00:46:01,609 --> 00:46:00,119
Clues to the tape's authenticity in the

1086
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,619
technical details of the interview

1087
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:03,839
setting okay there's a couple of

1088
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:04,980
interesting things about the tape right

1089
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:08,280
off the bat Morton tried to decipher the

1090
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,880
time code at the bottom of the screen

1091
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:13,200
first off what you're looking at in the

1092
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:15,540
time code is dni's Department of Naval

1093
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:17,880
intelligence so Department of Naval

1094
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,900
intelligence this would this would

1095
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,880
probably be a file number 27 it could be

1096
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:22,640
a security level however

1097
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:25,079
because security levels are supposedly

1098
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:27,180
go up to Q

1099
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,880
36 of the highest ones we know about the

1100
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:31,440
first interesting thing about that is

1101
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,380
that I'm noticing uh uh what looks like

1102
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:36,480
a medical Monitor and look at how slowly

1103
00:46:41,329 --> 00:46:38,579
and erratic the heartbeat is the

1104
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:41,339
heartbeat is literally one two

1105
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,140
it's very very erratic and it looks as

1106
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:44,880
though the the heartbeat being as radic

1107
00:46:48,589 --> 00:46:46,619
as it is is only about

1108
00:46:51,290 --> 00:46:48,599
from counting that it looks like it's

1109
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:51,300
about 30 a minute or so

1110
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,680
one of the unusual things about the

1111
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,200
about most of these particular race of

1112
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:56,640
aliens is they are very very sensitive

1113
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,980
to light so a lot of these interviews

1114
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,800
are conducted in um

1115
00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:03,060
uh in very

1116
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,980
darkened rooms

1117
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,900
okay

1118
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:08,880
as far as I can tell there is no

1119
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:11,579
Department of Naval intelligence in the

1120
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:14,880
U.S Navy there's an Office of Naval

1121
00:47:19,309 --> 00:47:17,579
intelligence if you Google it you get a

1122
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:19,319
lot of hits for Office of Naval

1123
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:22,800
intelligence and you also get hits for

1124
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:26,160
the Wikipedia page for Naval

1125
00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:27,599
Intelligence Division

1126
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:31,500
Department of Naval intelligence May

1127
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,880
refer to it has seven entries for

1128
00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:38,400
various Naval intelligence

1129
00:47:45,069 --> 00:47:41,220
operations around the world none of

1130
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:45,079
which are called Department of Naval

1131
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:47,880
intelligence someone online suggested

1132
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:50,819
that dni stood for digital NATO

1133
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:54,780
inventory which also makes little sense

1134
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:55,800
and and

1135
00:48:00,109 --> 00:47:58,260
his talk about the heart rate why do we

1136
00:48:02,450 --> 00:48:00,119
assume the Grays have a circulatory

1137
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:02,460
system like ours I mean a lot of the

1138
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,380
things you'd read about the Grays back

1139
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:06,960
in the day said they had no internal

1140
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:09,240
organs at all or their internal organs

1141
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,140
were unidentifiable to us and also even

1142
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:14,880
if they do have a circulatory system

1143
00:48:20,089 --> 00:48:17,460
like ours who's to say that their heart

1144
00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:20,099
rates aren't erratic normally or what we

1145
00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:22,740
consider erratic normally Morton goes on

1146
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,640
to describe the video as we yet again

1147
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:28,200
watch it so I think they run through the

1148
00:48:35,569 --> 00:48:31,980
video at least three full times

1149
00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:35,579
we also hear from Whitley streber kind

1150
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:38,819
of he refused they say to appear in the

1151
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:42,300
documentary so we get what he said on

1152
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:45,060
the TV show strange Universe about

1153
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:46,560
Victor

1154
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:49,740
and I tried to find that episode of

1155
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:51,720
strange Universe I I couldn't but if

1156
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:54,420
somebody out there with better better

1157
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:57,780
skills with the Google machine can find

1158
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:58,740
it

1159
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,619
um yeah let me know so

1160
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:04,020
they couldn't probably couldn't license

1161
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:06,960
the actual footage so instead we just

1162
00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:09,720
have streever's words superimposed on

1163
00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:12,060
the screen over a grainy picture of him

1164
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:16,440
which looks so low rent he said

1165
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,319
apparently because we can't check it out

1166
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:21,839
um he said I hadn't realized until I saw

1167
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:24,180
this how familiar it would be

1168
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:26,700
if this is a fake it's really good

1169
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:28,680
it's very difficult to watch this

1170
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:30,660
because somebody who made this knows

1171
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,000
something about the way they move

1172
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:35,760
I hope to God it's a fake because if

1173
00:49:41,569 --> 00:49:39,480
it's not I'm so ashamed for mankind

1174
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,579
we also get some clips from Victor and

1175
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:44,640
Sean's May 1997 appearance on Coast to

1176
00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:47,220
Coast AM with Art Bell we'll get to that

1177
00:49:50,990 --> 00:49:48,300
in a bit

1178
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,000
we close with more from Victor he tells

1179
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:53,280
us that even though taking money for

1180
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,280
this project May cast doubt on it he

1181
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,079
could have made much more money if he'd

1182
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:00,480
compromised his anonymity and we hear

1183
00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:04,500
from Robert Odin one final time who

1184
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:07,500
talks in Fairly generic terms about the

1185
00:50:13,309 --> 00:50:10,440
fact that we have back engineered alien

1186
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:13,319
technology and he calls for disclosure

1187
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:16,740
we get some more footage of the alien in

1188
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:21,119
distress and some Victor did this alien

1189
00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:21,490
die

1190
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,420
[Music]

1191
00:50:29,809 --> 00:50:26,880
I can't answer that with certainty

1192
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:29,819
I do know the interviews came to an end

1193
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,099
whether the being died or was retired

1194
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,599
and I don't mean that of the Spy

1195
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,400
Thriller sense of having it killed and

1196
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,680
being retired from the interview process

1197
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:39,540
I just don't know

1198
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:42,359
I'm fairly certain I didn't go home at

1199
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,520
least not in the physical sense

1200
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,319
but these beings they don't seem to be

1201
00:50:52,270 --> 00:50:48,720
very concerned about dying or avoiding

1202
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,470
maybe they know what comes after death

1203
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:56,880
with more confidence than we do maybe

1204
00:51:00,109 --> 00:50:58,619
there's another vessel waiting for them

1205
00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:00,119
on the other side

1206
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,180
the other side yes which may in fact be

1207
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,520
where they come from in the first place

1208
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:07,920
oh I've heard the claims that they come

1209
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:10,619
from Zeta reticula or the Pleiades but

1210
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:11,880
it hasn't been established that they

1211
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:14,520
come from out there at all their saucers

1212
00:51:16,849 --> 00:51:16,140
may not travel through space as we know

1213
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:16,859
it

1214
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:19,020
they may fold in From Another Dimension

1215
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:21,059
another reality you make them sound

1216
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:22,920
almost Supernatural like Angels or

1217
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:25,619
Devils Supernatural is just a term for

1218
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:28,200
aspects of nature we don't understand

1219
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,180
for many people they certainly do serve

1220
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:32,160
the functions of both angels and Devils

1221
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:33,540
forces

1222
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:38,520
have you had enough of me I think I've

1223
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:39,330
earned my money

1224
00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:41,339
[Music]

1225
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:43,740
okay have you had enough of me I think

1226
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:46,260
I've earned my money is going to be how

1227
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:48,300
I respond at the end of every work

1228
00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:49,319
meeting

1229
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:52,200
from now on

1230
00:51:57,770 --> 00:51:55,800
so as stated in May 1997 Sean David

1231
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:57,780
Morton and Victor appeared on Coast to

1232
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,599
Coast AM with Art Bell for the most part

1233
00:52:05,569 --> 00:52:03,599
it's a recap or actually technically a

1234
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,579
preview of what appears in the video

1235
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:08,220
with far less detail because they're

1236
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,260
trying to sell the video you know and

1237
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:12,480
they've got a still shot of the alien up

1238
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:14,460
on the Coast to Coast AM website so

1239
00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:16,859
listeners can go check it out while

1240
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:20,040
they're listening to the interview track

1241
00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:24,420
it down because it's really good and my

1242
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,059
favorite thing about it is when they're

1243
00:52:31,309 --> 00:52:29,400
trying to get Victor on the line there's

1244
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:31,319
a bit of a mix up with the the phone

1245
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:34,140
numbers and as you might expect Victor

1246
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:36,960
was none too pleased this is a longer

1247
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:40,619
clip but it's worth it I think uh here

1248
00:52:47,530 --> 00:52:43,020
we go I think let's see if we've got

1249
00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:50,630
I'm here uh welcome to the program

1250
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:54,359
Victor yes I think it's fair to say at

1251
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:56,760
this moment I'm in sensed

1252
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:58,020
uh

1253
00:53:03,530 --> 00:52:59,880
the staff who were the telephone number

1254
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:03,540
can I ask you who is at your studio at

1255
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:07,440
this time well I'm here uh and others no

1256
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:10,800
my wife is um my wife is here of course

1257
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:13,020
I I do my broadcast from home Victor and

1258
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:14,520
other than myself and my wife there's

1259
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,500
nobody

1260
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:19,200
uh well I can I would just at this at

1261
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,140
this moment I believe

1262
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,760
five minutes from now I will have

1263
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:25,680
finished my last Republic

1264
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:28,980
pronouncement because of this uh

1265
00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:31,140
this business with Jeff and the phone

1266
00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:33,020
numbers is not

1267
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:36,059
part of the agreement well Victor it was

1268
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:37,440
just a problem because somebody wrote a

1269
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,240
seven instead of a one that's that's you

1270
00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:41,280
know it was just a simple mistake all

1271
00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:43,619
right we're sorry yeah we are sorry and

1272
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:45,780
it was just a simple mistake is exactly

1273
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:49,920
correct uh Victor who who was the second

1274
00:53:56,530 --> 00:53:52,260
voice I'm sorry this is Sean Morton all

1275
00:54:01,549 --> 00:53:59,089
if you can Victor we would like to both

1276
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:01,559
probably uh ask you some questions if we

1277
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:04,200
can uh obviously if you can't answer a

1278
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,839
question you let us know and uh you know

1279
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:08,640
we'll back away

1280
00:54:14,750 --> 00:54:11,700
um by the way uh

1281
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:14,760
by the way I Mr Morton yes sir John

1282
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:17,640
Morton I I have come into possession of

1283
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:20,760
your Delphi associate newsletter dated

1284
00:54:27,049 --> 00:54:24,420
April 11th yes 1997 and I and I have to

1285
00:54:30,049 --> 00:54:27,059
say this is how misinformation

1286
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:30,059
proliferates I don't know where you got

1287
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,240
your information about what I have dated

1288
00:54:37,069 --> 00:54:35,160
to the rocket people

1289
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,079
but there are a number of statements

1290
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:39,359
here that are that are incorrect okay

1291
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:40,559
well maybe we should start there because

1292
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:41,940
I tried to check everything with Jeff

1293
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,700
all like all I had was yes Mr Broad

1294
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:47,040
Street he used to successfully prevented

1295
00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:52,370
prescribing myself a double Bush medals

1296
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,339
for nerves I frankly well let's leave

1297
00:55:02,210 --> 00:54:59,520
that that darn Jeff Broad Street not

1298
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:02,220
letting Victor get drunk before going on

1299
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:03,900
the air with

1300
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:09,000
Art Bell so who was Victor

1301
00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:11,280
a lot of people

1302
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,280
um online and in various places are

1303
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:16,200
pretty convinced that based on the

1304
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,099
footage it was Robert o Dean and I can I

1305
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,599
can see that

1306
00:55:25,490 --> 00:55:23,520
um the hair the beard seem to match

1307
00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:25,500
although they said Victor was wearing a

1308
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:28,800
disguise but it's still it's still the

1309
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:31,440
silhouette looks looks kind of like him

1310
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:35,220
there was some talk that Dean and Victor

1311
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:37,500
were wearing identical ties were wearing

1312
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:40,559
the same tie on the shoot but the more I

1313
00:55:46,010 --> 00:55:42,000
look at it the more I think they are

1314
00:55:49,069 --> 00:55:46,020
very similar it's a um it's a dark tie

1315
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,079
with a diagonal gold stripe but I think

1316
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:51,359
uh there was a a difference in the the

1317
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:55,500
width of the stripe so I'm not sure

1318
00:56:02,930 --> 00:55:59,640
about that the voice doesn't sound

1319
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:02,940
um much like Dean's the other option

1320
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,380
that people have talked about was

1321
00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:06,720
Whitley streber and that was my guess

1322
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:09,300
before I even knew that other people

1323
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,700
thought that too just when I first heard

1324
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,680
this years and years and years ago the

1325
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,180
Art Bell thing which was long before I

1326
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:17,280
actually watched the video just

1327
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:21,540
something about the uh the the Cadence

1328
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:24,119
the the emphasis on Words there's just

1329
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:27,420
the pattern of speaking it seemed very

1330
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,880
similar to streber and watching the

1331
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:31,440
video

1332
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:34,559
um the connection and the discussion of

1333
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:37,380
the aliens conceptions of life after

1334
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,500
death and the soul and and death and

1335
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:42,240
that transition being a significant

1336
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:46,680
thing that's very striberian

1337
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:49,680
um whereas at least in this video Dean

1338
00:56:55,069 --> 00:56:52,380
talked mostly about the

1339
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:55,079
um the technology stuff and Victor was

1340
00:56:59,809 --> 00:56:57,000
more focused just on the spiritual

1341
00:57:02,990 --> 00:56:59,819
aspects which which made it feel more

1342
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,000
like a strieber thing to me

1343
00:57:08,109 --> 00:57:06,240
actually years and years ago when

1344
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:08,119
Twitter first started I got on Twitter

1345
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:13,500
and I asked Whitley streber if he was

1346
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:17,099
um he was Victor and he replied within

1347
00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:20,040
minutes to me and I wish I still had

1348
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,380
that tweet I've purged my tweets since

1349
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:24,720
then but uh he was mad he was he was

1350
00:57:31,730 --> 00:57:27,839
just irritated and um he he doesn't

1351
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:31,740
think highly of of hoaxes and

1352
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:36,300
um I didn't know I think he blocked me

1353
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:37,740
um pretty sure he blocked me after that

1354
00:57:43,130 --> 00:57:40,440
and uh so I wasn't able to follow up

1355
00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:43,140
with like are you saying that you would

1356
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:45,660
never participate in a hoax or are you

1357
00:57:51,290 --> 00:57:47,880
saying that the Victor thing was a hoax

1358
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:51,300
because I think there was some wiggle

1359
00:57:58,750 --> 00:57:55,680
room on there so Sean David Morton

1360
00:58:03,170 --> 00:57:58,760
um like I said go to

1361
00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:03,180
ufowwatchdog.com for a lot of uh stuff

1362
00:58:07,690 --> 00:58:05,640
about Sean David Morton

1363
00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:07,700
um he's been in the news relatively

1364
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:11,819
recently uh he was indicted

1365
00:58:17,089 --> 00:58:15,000
on Securities fraud charges for his

1366
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,099
Delphi Associates newsletter basically

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mismanaging

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International International currencies

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and then

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um the way they get everybody tax uh tax

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00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:31,980
fraud he defrauded the IRS basically he

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00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,280
and his wife claimed a bunch of uh

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credits and deductions and overpayments

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00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,559
that didn't exist the IRS you know

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00:58:45,289 --> 00:58:42,480
because they don't check everything at

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00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:45,299
the time it comes in issued a check for

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almost half a million dollars which they

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immediately put in various accounts

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00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:54,660
um

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he was charged with 51 counts of issuing

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false instruments four counts of filing

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00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:04,500
false federal income tax documents and

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one count of conspiracy to defraud the

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IRS

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00:59:15,289 --> 00:59:13,020
um the jury was in deliberations for a

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00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:15,299
whopping two hours before finding him

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00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:22,140
guilty in uh 2017 of 51 charges and he

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00:59:27,289 --> 00:59:24,660
was sentenced in uh scheduled to be

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sentenced in June of 2017

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00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:29,160
um he failed to appear for his

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00:59:34,670 --> 00:59:31,559
sentencing hearing and a federal arrest

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00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:34,680
warrant was issued he was uh I remember

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00:59:40,130 --> 00:59:37,260
him posting YouTube videos talking about

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00:59:42,109 --> 00:59:40,140
the Deep State persecuting him while he

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00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:42,119
was like driving down the interstate and

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00:59:47,569 --> 00:59:44,280
things like that pretty entertaining

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00:59:50,349 --> 00:59:47,579
stuff they caught him and in September

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00:59:55,089 --> 00:59:50,359
he was sentenced to six years in prison

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00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:55,099
in order to pay back the 480 000

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01:00:02,530 --> 00:59:58,020
322 dollars to the Internal Revenue

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01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:02,540
Service he was released from prison in

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01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:07,980
2021 he threw his wife who also served a

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01:00:12,349 --> 01:00:10,260
a sentence at the the Correctional

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01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:12,359
Institute Institution of Victorville

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01:00:15,069 --> 01:00:14,220
California

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01:00:17,930 --> 01:00:15,079
um

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01:00:20,030 --> 01:00:17,940
posted regular or transmitted regular

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01:00:22,849 --> 01:00:20,040
messages about how he was being

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01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,859
mistreated and tortured by the evil

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01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:23,760
people

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01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:25,980
in the prisons because he's going to

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01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:29,220
release the truth he was he said he was

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01:00:34,849 --> 01:00:32,280
diagnosed with uh with with severe

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01:00:37,849 --> 01:00:34,859
cancer and that it wasn't caught in time

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01:00:40,910 --> 01:00:37,859
for his natural remedy of scorpion venom

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01:00:42,589 --> 01:00:40,920
to work and so he had to go fund me up

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01:00:43,370 --> 01:00:42,599
for a while

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01:00:46,750 --> 01:00:43,380
um

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01:00:49,970 --> 01:00:46,760
there are some some great long sort of

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01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:49,980
rambly ranty things if you go to the

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01:00:54,109 --> 01:00:52,260
Project Camelot website which I honestly

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01:00:57,470 --> 01:00:54,119
don't recommend under most circumstances

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01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:57,480
but you can read how the Deep state is

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01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:01,140
targeting him for what he knows uh Sean

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01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:02,880
David Morton

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01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:09,180
convicted fraudster and his uh his

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01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:12,540
Wikipedia entry is great because whoever

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01:01:18,589 --> 01:01:15,900
edited this says occupation in little

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01:01:21,549 --> 01:01:18,599
info box occupation psychic author

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01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:21,559
filmmaker investor confidence trickster

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01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:25,500
known for Securities and tax fraud not

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01:01:31,250 --> 01:01:28,920
for Area 51 not for the Victor video not

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01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:31,260
for predicting the Northridge Earthquake

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01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:36,000
nope what's he known for Securities and

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01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:38,700
tax fraud and what were the opinions

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01:01:44,809 --> 01:01:42,240
online like about this I looked on the

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01:01:48,049 --> 01:01:44,819
Usenet group alt alien visitors

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01:01:51,710 --> 01:01:48,059
not a lot of discussion on there about

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01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,720
this that I could find mostly people

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01:01:56,450 --> 01:01:53,520
just saying anyone else think this is

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01:01:57,710 --> 01:01:56,460
true and there would be no replies in

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01:02:00,589 --> 01:01:57,720
the thread

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01:02:04,250 --> 01:02:00,599
when the 10th anniversary video came out

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01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:04,260
in 2008 there was a lot of talk on the

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01:02:11,349 --> 01:02:07,740
Above Top Secret Forum about it and

1446
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:11,359
about who Victor might be there were

1447
01:02:18,650 --> 01:02:15,900
attempts to de-distort the voice of

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01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:18,660
things like that lots of discussion and

1449
01:02:23,650 --> 01:02:22,020
some some great posts on here such as

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01:02:26,329 --> 01:02:23,660
this one

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01:02:28,609 --> 01:02:26,339
I am so confused about all of this and

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01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:28,619
whether it was a hoax or not God cursed

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01:02:36,289 --> 01:02:34,010
God cursed these hoaxsters indeed now

1454
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:36,299
this poster uh believed that everything

1455
01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:38,520
seems to make sense

1456
01:02:42,289 --> 01:02:40,380
the fact that all of Victor's facts

1457
01:02:44,809 --> 01:02:42,299
supposedly matched up and what he said

1458
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,819
was not typical rather he said the alien

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01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,559
couldn't explain technological things

1460
01:02:51,170 --> 01:02:48,480
but was more knowledgeable in spiritual

1461
01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:51,180
concerns I don't know for sure it just

1462
01:02:54,829 --> 01:02:53,040
doesn't seem typical then the facts seem

1463
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,839
to match up the fact that he wanted

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01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:57,119
money negates the veracity of it but to

1465
01:03:02,329 --> 01:02:59,040
an extent everything he says checks out

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01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:02,339
timelines places people reasons and all

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01:03:06,349 --> 01:03:03,660
that

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01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:06,359
the poster never actually goes into what

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01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:08,220
facts check out

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01:03:13,309 --> 01:03:11,520
which is kind of weakens it um and then

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01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:13,319
there was somebody who wandered onto the

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01:03:17,930 --> 01:03:15,180
thread apparently

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01:03:22,250 --> 01:03:17,940
um not knowing that you don't have to

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01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,260
comment on every thread that exists

1475
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:24,480
sorry for being ignorant but who is

1476
01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:30,829
well John Dean was White House counsel

1477
01:03:36,289 --> 01:03:32,700
for the uh for the Nixon Administration

1478
01:03:38,569 --> 01:03:36,299
I mean come on read a history book

1479
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:38,579
and then there were others who thought

1480
01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:41,160
this whole effort to determine Victor's

1481
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:45,180
identity was completely inappropriate

1482
01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:47,280
honestly I don't know why people are

1483
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,500
trying to find out Victor's identity the

1484
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:51,359
purpose of him actually hiding who he

1485
01:03:55,609 --> 01:03:53,220
was was for the dark government forces

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01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:55,619
not to find him and possibly end his

1487
01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:57,720
life for releasing such sensitive video

1488
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,299
in reality this effort for people to try

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01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,400
and find out who he was and the threads

1490
01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:04,319
poster having everything chip into the

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01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:06,359
investigation only makes it more

1492
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,339
suspicious on why exactly he's trying to

1493
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:10,319
find out Victor's identity and thus

1494
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:11,940
having intelligent Minds contribute to

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01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:14,640
this Victor tried to spread truth to the

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01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,740
world knowing the such information and

1497
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:18,480
video could possibly end his life in

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01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:20,940
some mysterious way possibly reported as

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01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,460
a suicide most likely is this the way we

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01:04:27,049 --> 01:04:24,960
want to treat our Anonymous sources

1501
01:04:28,670 --> 01:04:27,059
what's the point of sending such footage

1502
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:28,680
if critics are going to try and find out

1503
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,260
who you are regardless on the links you

1504
01:04:35,809 --> 01:04:32,880
try to take and protect yourself from

1505
01:04:38,569 --> 01:04:35,819
possible harm I say we try and drop this

1506
01:04:40,849 --> 01:04:38,579
forget who Victor is and just Ponder and

1507
01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:40,859
question the footage itself it's obvious

1508
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,660
people here don't care for this man's

1509
01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:44,400
safety and identity for releasing this

1510
01:04:48,829 --> 01:04:46,680
footage to to me this threat is very

1511
01:04:51,049 --> 01:04:48,839
suspicious and why do you want to badly

1512
01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:51,059
know who Victor is all it would do is

1513
01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:52,980
help dark Forces in the government find

1514
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,140
this individual and erase him from the

1515
01:05:01,309 --> 01:04:58,319
face of the planet way to go

1516
01:05:03,710 --> 01:05:01,319
so as we come to the end of all this

1517
01:05:07,609 --> 01:05:03,720
what's the deal with Victor

1518
01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:07,619
and this whole thing well here's my take

1519
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:10,680
on it in case you want it

1520
01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:14,040
I think Victor was Whitley strieber I

1521
01:05:21,230 --> 01:05:16,859
have no evidence of that but I think

1522
01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:21,240
that's who it was I think it was largely

1523
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:25,799
a money-making operation I think it was

1524
01:05:35,569 --> 01:05:30,540
cynical exploitation of the popularity

1525
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:35,579
of the UFO scene in 1997. It's hard to I

1526
01:05:41,329 --> 01:05:38,220
mean nowadays there's lots of UFO cash

1527
01:05:43,609 --> 01:05:41,339
and stuff but 97

1528
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:43,619
you know 50th anniversary of Roswell

1529
01:05:50,049 --> 01:05:47,400
there was a lot of this stuff going on I

1530
01:05:53,569 --> 01:05:50,059
will say the alien prop

1531
01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:53,579
is incredibly well done the movement is

1532
01:05:58,730 --> 01:05:56,940
right the lighting is is spooky but then

1533
01:06:00,289 --> 01:05:58,740
you've got the well their eyes are huge

1534
01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:00,299
so we've got to keep the lights down

1535
01:06:06,289 --> 01:06:03,660
thing I think that worked really well I

1536
01:06:10,250 --> 01:06:06,299
think the emotion from somebody like Bob

1537
01:06:12,170 --> 01:06:10,260
Dean you know sort of lamenting how the

1538
01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:12,180
alien is being treated I think that's a

1539
01:06:18,589 --> 01:06:15,180
great touch I thought Victor as an

1540
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:18,599
interviewee was very well done I I think

1541
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:21,960
they hit just the right notes of of

1542
01:06:28,910 --> 01:06:25,200
petulance and irritation and a little

1543
01:06:31,970 --> 01:06:28,920
bit of a little bit of fear of being

1544
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:31,980
exposed this video is out on YouTube if

1545
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:34,440
you want to find it but I encourage you

1546
01:06:42,410 --> 01:06:38,160
to if nothing else find the Coast to

1547
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:42,420
Coast AM episode where uh Morton and

1548
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,299
Victor are on with Art Bell because it

1549
01:06:50,809 --> 01:06:48,000
is it is a trip it's a it's a in my

1550
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:50,819
opinion a classic Art Bell episode I

1551
01:06:53,809 --> 01:06:52,680
can't stand listening to Sean David

1552
01:06:55,609 --> 01:06:53,819
Martin

1553
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:55,619
um this is the only episode where he's

1554
01:07:02,390 --> 01:06:59,039
on where I'm I'm not like sort of

1555
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,400
punching something wishing it was

1556
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:05,280
Sean Morton uh for some reason he really

1557
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,420
annoyed his voice just really grates on

1558
01:07:14,990 --> 01:07:12,000
me which I've got a terrible grating

1559
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:15,000
voice myself so I know I know how it

1560
01:07:18,890 --> 01:07:16,680
feels it feels and I know there are

1561
01:07:21,230 --> 01:07:18,900
people out there who would probably you

1562
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,240
know hate my voice as well but

1563
01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:24,480
I'm just glad we can finally say

1564
01:07:31,069 --> 01:07:26,760
um fraudster Sean David Martin without

1565
01:07:32,690 --> 01:07:31,079
fear of um a libel lawsuit or a slander

1566
01:07:34,730 --> 01:07:32,700
lawsuit

1567
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:34,740
in any case

1568
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:40,440
this is a phenomenal piece of ephemera

1569
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,220
from late 90s saucerology and I think

1570
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:46,319
that's the way we have to look at it not

1571
01:07:52,910 --> 01:07:50,000
debating whether or not it's true or not

1572
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:52,920
but instead

1573
01:07:57,950 --> 01:07:54,799
trying to

1574
01:07:58,609 --> 01:07:57,960
determine whether or not

1575
01:08:01,690 --> 01:07:58,619
um

1576
01:08:06,650 --> 01:08:01,700
this has meaning for our understanding

1577
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:06,660
of the UFO field at the time it's a

1578
01:08:12,529 --> 01:08:10,440
document from the history of ufology and

1579
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:12,539
I think that's the best way to look at

1580
01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:13,920
it

1581
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,309
thanks for listening remember to send in

1582
01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:24,000
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1583
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,699
usual social media or email channels and

1584
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,799
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1585
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:30,960
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1586
01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:33,719
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